Monday, April 17, 2017

Child Abuse



I'm just gonna let this one speak for itself.  This behavior is disgusting. Please share it.

Wednesday, April 12, 2017

#SaveDinaAli



Nothing fancy today.  Here's a link to a petition to get the government to take some kind of action.


Thursday, March 16, 2017

Comment Response.

So I got me a comment on a youtube video that's much too long to respond to.  I'll do so here.  It's on this video.  Give it a watch if you haven't yet.












Let's dive right in.

Many of the questions you ask about this woman's position reveal an incredible amount of ignorance about the subject.
Cool story bro.
Your comment about Israelite cities is cringy because you have obviously never read any scholarly literature about it. As a scholar of the ancient Near East (milieu of the Bible), I can tell you that her observations about cities are largely correct.
Fair enough.  I never actually said she was wrong.  Although, being a scholar, you do know that the first mention of Israel wasn't until about 1200 years or so after Jesus died, right?

My point was, if a god made heaven, why is it described as only being as good as the best city from two millenia ago?  Sounds like god wasn't involved in this particular narrative, just people.

God certainly wouldn't have had the knowledge to know what a resort and casino is, right?  Paradise was nothing more than a safe place to live to those people, because that would've been a huge step up in those days.  Sucks god couldn't have told them how to cure polio or something, but at least heaven is a huge house where they can live with their horrible leprosy forever.
You can walk into the Semitic museum at Harvard University and see exactly what she is talking about.
Yep.  One museum at one university totally sums up the entirety of every civilization contained in the old testament over the course of the few thousand years it covers.
Also, there are SO many Jewish and Christian views on hell and salvation.
Again, if your god created both of them, why is there more than one?  Why is it a view?  If god is threatening me with damnation, but we can't agree on what it is, how is that supposed to motivate me to avoid it?  You seem to have ignored this point.

REGARDLESS of that, she was talking about the new testament mostly.  I've discussed in some small detail the fact that Sheol is described as being under the earth, between the pillars of creation, and that the bible calls the sky a glass dome which contains the floodgates (literal gates) from which the rains flow. 

Despite this, I have yet to see one picture of any of those things.  What a view!
The fact that you act like there is only one (presumably the one you originally inherited from your parents?)
Did your god claim to make more than one heaven, more than one hell?  I think my bible only has one book on creation, for some reason.  If you have some other bible that says that god created a second heaven and earth in a second week or something, please present it!  Otherwise, I'm just gonna pretend you didn't say that.  I can only find one biblical creation story, and there's only one heaven ever created in it that contains the throne of god from which a river flows.  Please, let me know.  My bible has the apocrypha, but not that.
shows how incredibly shallow your investigation into this was.
Says the guy who can't even follow my arguments.
Your comments about evangelism and the reasons for believing in God is SOO frustrating.
If I'm not going to hell, why did Jesus die?  If I can just leave hell, why did Jesus sacrifice himself?

I'm not sure I understand.  Please, expound.  If there's no negative consequence for not believing, and I'll definitely be allowed into heaven anyway... what is the motivation for your evangelism?
How can you be so one dimensional?
You're the one throwing strawmen around like you're playing paper football on a line with no ends.
Did you parents tell you this?
No.  I read most of it in this 'bible' thing you keep telling me I haven't read.  Do you realize how condescending you are right now?  Is the bible the word of your god or not, and if it is, do you really think he cares if you agree with it?
Religious people believe and worship for all kinds of reasons.
Most people are religious for one reason, that they believe in a god (deity, universal power, whatever) and they believe there are consequences for not believing in a god.  In fact, I would challenge you to find one person who is religious and believes in a god who does not also believe in some kind of universal judgement.  Karma, Heaven and Hell, Valhalla, Samsara, etc.
You make so many assumptions about what this woman believes without any evidence.
No, I didn't.  I discussed her actual argument.  You're trying to strawman me here again.  I don't need evidence to discuss philosophy, after all.

Do you have any evidence that ANY of the heavens or hells you claim to find in the bible are real?  You can post a picture of Sheol here any day you like.  I'd even settle for a small piece of that glass dome.  However, I'm not actually making a positive claim, you see?  All I'm saying is that hell is like a leprechaun: it doesn't exist.  I can't show you something I don't have evidence for.  Let's say you did want me to prove leprechauns don't exist.  What would I show you, an empty field?  A photograph of anything but a leprechaun?

Do me a favor.  Prove to me that Thor doesn't exist in exactly the same way you think I should prove that Hell doesn't exist.  I honestly don't know how to do it.
What if she doesn't think that Jesus was omniscient?
Well then he wasn't god.  Simple, right?  I don't think my argument relies on that.  The bible either is, or is not, the word of god.

If we both agree it wasn't, I don't see what the problem is. Also, in case you missed it, Jesus didn't write the bible.  Also, in case you missed it, Jesus could supposedly LITERALLY talk to god.  Also, Jesus claimed he was going to heaven (again, as though he'd been there before he was born or something) to prepare the place. He also claimed that people get cast into the fire and brimstone hell.  A real place, that he allegedly literally died to save people from.
A LOT of Christians don't believe that.
So what?  Again, if your bible is the word of god, do you really think he cares what you believe?  If you and I both do not believe those things, aren't we both functionally atheist?

"Hey guys, I know the bible says these things, but I don't believe them..."

Why am I the atheist when you claim that those people are making that statement?  Do they believe in god or not?  Why would you say I believe less than them when they don't actually believe either?
Jesus claimed that mustard seeds were the smallest seeds in all the world during a parable.
Again, I don't care. I agree with you, it's not the word of a god.  Maybe we're both atheist, you and I.
That is not factual, but most Christians don't care if Jesus doesn't have perfect knowledge of 21st century science.
Again, your god created him without it, for some reason.  The perfect son of god, fit to be a sacrifice for all humanity, but there sure were a lot of imperfections in him for some reason.

Almost like he wasn't really talking to god, don't you think?
You should really investigate some of these issues more critically before making videos.
"Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man."
-Some famous guy, probably.
Lastly, your comments about God not wanting women to speak (sending them to hell for it....where does the Bible connect it to hell, exactly?) really show that you never read any serious debates about those issues.
Again, it's in the bible.  I don't care if you don't believe in the bible.  I also don't believe in the bible.  But the verse is in there.  The book of Timothy, actually.  He wasn't important or anything, right?  It's not like he was Paul's student or anything, right?  It's not like they felt it was important enough to include in the book attributed to god, right?
You just blindly accepted someone's interpretation (your parents?)
I agree, indoctrination by parents is really shitty sometimes.  However, I referenced Young's Literal Translation.  Go ahead, look it up.  Take your time, you're the 'scholar' after all.

Then maybe go watch The Bible Skeptic for a while and see how an ACTUAL biblical scholar handles the bible.  You could do well to learn things yourself.
or criticism of two statements from Paul's letters (the HIGHLY debated 1 Cor 14 and 1 Tim 2) and applied it accordingly.
The whole book is highly debated.  That phrase is meaningless. However, here's some bible verses on how women should be treated though.

Go ahead, tell me you don't believe those either.  We can be atheist together!
This ignores Paul's praise of a female apostle (look up what apostles do),
But for some reason the slaughter of Holophernes by Jude is apocryphal...
his regard for Phoebe (a deacon and the one that read his letter to the church in Rome),
Another argument from anecdote.  See, you really can use the bible to support any stance.  Remember that part where Jesus said that unfruitful things should die?  He's talking about women who don't have children. That one was Mark.

Let's see though, what an apostle does, while we're at it.  According to this website,
(1) to have been an witness of the resurrected Christ (1 Corinthians 9:1), (2) to have been explicitly chosen by the Holy Spirit (Acts 9:15), and (3) to have the ability to perform signs and wonders
So basically he was chosen by the holy spirit to deliver these messages.  Messages that tell us that unfruitful women should be caused to wither away, and that women should be silent.

I'm not sure what else you could possibly mean.  God chose them because they interpreted his message correctly, according to the book.  Again, if you don't believe it, that's fine, neither do I.
Just read Romans 16 for a good primer on this.
See, that's the thing.  I don't have to skip the bits you don't like.  I don't have to 'just read' certain parts.  I can read the whole thing. Why don't you 'Just read' the parts I gave you, and ignore the rest, like you're asking me to do?

Oh, that's right.  You'd have to be ethical and have scruples and intellectual honesty.  Things you don't appear to be familiar with.
Additionally, there are numerous women in the New Testament that speak freely (read the Gospels and Acts).
Funny, isn't it? How they didn't get the testimonies of those actual women in the forms of books like the men got.

How interesting a woman was never chosen to author a book by your god.

How very interesting that the only time women are allowed to 'freely speak' is when some man is deciding which of her words to write down.

How very, very interesting, indeed.
I could add Old Testament women that have the same roles as men too
Which books did they write?  I'm curious.  My bible doesn't seem to have them.
(prophets, judges, etc).
Well, then much like the other major prophets, and even some minor ones, surely they have books that aren't authored by men?  You said they get to speak freely, right?  Or is it only free speech if a man writes down what he thinks she said? 

Speaking of the old testament, why do women have less worth than men?  Do you think it's related?  Why can't female slaves go free as male slaves do?  Equality, right?
Anyway, that's enough for me at the moment.
I'm sure this bit of mental gymnastics was quite the workout for you.  Please, catch your breath!  Maybe this can help.


Have a good day.
I'll do whatever I please.  Apparently you will also.  Aren't those the best kind of days?

Tuesday, February 28, 2017

PEDOPHILIA IS WRONG


I just wanted to take a moment and make you all aware of this thing.  I know my blog doesn't get a ton of views, but maybe go share the video.
If you feel that you are attracted to children, please seek help.  If you refuse to do so, you may be my enemy.

Saturday, February 25, 2017

HUFFPOST PHILANTHROPY

Hello again everyone, and thanks for tuning in!

Today I'm going to be responding to a few points from a Huffington Post blog entry.  Is it a blog post if it's a new article op-ed? It is today, because journalism is complex.  I'm calling it a blog post.  You can call it whatever you like.

Also, this is the kind of thing I'm going to discuss with some friends and creators in my livestream hangout.  Every Sunday we're getting together and discussing all the wonderful stuff we've come across.  Skepticism is where it's at, and if you like my style, check this out tomorrow around 7pm EDT.



So, let us commence the articulation of the article's absence of argumentative ability!

At only 13 years old, aspiring astronaut and devoted “Hidden Figures” fan Taylor Richardson is leading quite the philanthropic cause.
That's an interesting word choice, 'Philanthropic.'  Let's see what they're talking about.
Earlier this week, Richardson was deemed GoFundMe’s February “Hero of the Month” after raising $17,000 through the fundraising website for people throughout the nation to go see the hit movie.
Well, I must say, that's quite heroic, raising money so that people can go enjoy a night at the movies.  Certainly that's more philanthropic than something like this.  Please visit that link and help Rorschach if you can.  I know he's not a black engineering lady, but maybe you can find it in your heart to give him a few bucks because his house burned down, he is a single father with a child to support, he is a victim of domestic abuse, and so on.


Anyway.  Even if you can't help, that's fine.  Just keep reading, put it in the back of your head, and remember that people gave $17,000 for other people to go watch a movie. Philanthropy, they call it.
Hidden Figures” is centered around three black women mathematicians who played a pivotal role in sending the first American into space.
I have no problem with this.  The director of software engineering was a woman, after all. 
Pictured is Margaret Hamilton next to a stack of all the fucks she doesn't give about your accusations of the patriarchy being a thing.  You could do well to learn from Margaret.
 “I hope [the movie] inspires them to know they can do anything they put their mind to,” Richardson told The Huffington Post earlier this week. 
You know, maybe you should have raised money for food to combat hunger.  Maybe raise money for a mission to the middle east to combat apostacy laws. Instead, you are paying people to go see a movie that reminds them that, in fact, women had a much larger role in history than Huffington Post's narrative allows.  Wonder if they'll address this point somewhere.  "Sources say no" is what the magic 8 ball tells me.
Thus far, Richardson and her mother have given over 800 people the opportunity to attend a free screening of the movie (with snacks) and ― for a number of them ― receive the Hidden Figures book.
Again, I have no problem with the book or the movie.  I'm sure they're both wonderful, and I do love history.  Speaking of women in science and math, go google 'Feynman Human Computers.'  It is fascinating.  However, let's take a moment to realize that they just spent about $22/person that could easily have been spent on actual philanthropy. Is it really empowering to watch how people overcame racism when we now have affirmative action?  I don't know.  Again, my issue isn't with the gofundme itself, Taylor seems like a nice girl or whatever.  Maybe she'll be an astronaut and be the first person on Mars (though Cody's Lab might give her a run for her money).  My main issues are only around this article and the people who wrote it.  Please don't conflate the two.

“It shows me that women, and especially African-American women, can do anything a guy can do and anything a white male can do,” she said of the movie.
Generally, that's true.  If you want to put out the effort to do these things, you can.  While this child doesn't realize it, though, that's incredibly racist.  It's 3rd wave feminism 101.  No one is holding you down, Taylor.  I want you to be successful.  I want you to train hard and shoot for the stars.  I wish you all the best.  Just quit pretending that I'm superior to you because I'm white, because I'm not.  We are both humans, Taylor.  Don't be like so many of your peers and make excuses for why you can't (because of patriarchy, for example), but rather just go out and do and learn and become what you want to become.
While the two know the movie won’t compel everyone to aspire towards having a career in space, like it has with Richardson, they hope that through the Hidden Figures books, kids will at least be able to develop a heightened interest in literacy, something Richardson has regularly been working towards in her community.
Again, this is commendable, but it still slightly misses the point.  Some people simply aspire to be the opposite of literate.  It is not your duty to force them to want to learn or succeed, though it would be a great outcome.  Some people do not strive to have personal responsibility, and would rather blame white men (or something) for their perceived problems.  Taylor is not one of those people, I think.  It is a noble cause to try to educate those who do not want to be educated.  Sometimes we have to simply accept that some people don't want to be pioneers, but instead just want to be a lowest common denominator.

When she was nine years old, Richardson said she encountered a young boy at a hospital who didn’t have easy access to books. After that, she decided to hold book drives in her hometown in his honor called “Taylor Takes Flight With A Book.”
To date, Richardson has collected and donated over 5,000 books in Jacksonville and read to over 300 children.
She’s also worked on an anti-bullying campaign with the CEOs of Florida First Coast YMCA and Girl Scouts of Gateway Council.
Again, excellent work.  This is a good example of problem-solving skills.  I support this 100%.
But Richardson’s philanthropic trajectory isn’t what’s made her mother most proud: it’s her resilience.
Just a bit of semantics here: You don't get to be proud of someone else's achievements, sorry.  I mean, unless I can also be proud of her achievements.  Sorry, my grammar stickler got in the way.  Moving on.
“I tell people all the time: what makes me most proud of Taylor is not what you hear and all these success stories, but how she handles her failures,” her mother told HuffPost.
But the persevering spirit of Richardson ― who was bullied, held back in the second grade and once struggled with literacy ― can best captured in the way she turned around her ADHD diagnosis.
See, ending on a positive note.  At least Huffpost isn't as cancerous as buzzfeed.  Although they did miss 'be' in 'can best captured.' Come on Huffpost, you have editors, you are professional news site.  Catch this stuff.  I can live with most of the other bits.  This grammatical error really irked me though.

In closing, I say good luck to Taylor. Hopefully next time Huffpost can headline with "This girl is combating illiteracy and bullying" rather than "This girl sent some people to the movies." I'm sure there's a lesson for GoFundMe in there also.

Sunday, February 12, 2017

A long hiatus.

Well, it's been a minute since I've written anything here.  In case you're unaware, I do have a Youtube channel.  

Here's my most recent video.

I really do enjoy blogging, but I don't have as much time for it as I once did.  However, I'm going to try to get back into this, so here we go.  Today I'm going to do another response.

Answers in Genesis has decided, once again, to tackle a subject that is perhaps a bit more subtle than they let on.  This article is entitled "Prescription for Morality" and was posted on 7 Feb 2017.

We often take pills to feel healthier, to ease pain, or to relieve symptoms. But what if you could take a pill to become a more moral you? According to an article in the National Post
Neuroethicists and others thinkers are increasingly absorbed by the idea of “moral enhancement” through pharmaceuticals, implanted brain electrodes or other biomedical means.
Leading proponents argue advances in cognitive neuroscience suggest morally desirable capacities may, at least in part, be neurologically-based and therefore amenable to tinkering.
Some envision a day when we could use drugs that act directly on the brain to dial down aggression and other “anti-social” sentiments and dial up “pro-social” ones like compassion and trust.1
 Some studies have indeed suggested that certain prescription drugs do modify behavior, making people, for example, “more cooperative, less critical of others and more sensitive to other people’s pain.”
This is basically fine.  I don't take much exception with it.  It's a thought-provoking question regarding the ethics of drugs.  Is it ethical to give people drugs if it's going to change their personality?  Generally, we don't have many ethical qualms about this, as long as the effects are not psychotropic in the extreme, for example.  It's certainly unethical to force someone to take something detrimental, but it's seldom unethical to require things like vaccines or antidepressants.
There are many problems and concerns with such an idea, but the most obvious problem is pointed out in the National Post article: “How do we decide what constitutes a moral deficiency? Who should be allowed to make these decisions about what is good and what is bad?”
That's also a reasonable point to bring up.  Should we be allowed to control the behaviors of others to benefit society?  Also, there's a minor problem here, because we're discussing ethics, not morals.  Should the courts be allowed to decide what is good and bad based upon the laws, to remove certain liberties from criminals?  The same question is fundamentally at play here.  I think there could be compelling arguments on both sides here, and I'm hoping AiG actually takes some time to think about them.  I hate responding to the simple stuff.  I want to think.
This isn’t a problem unique to neuroethicists seeking to alter human behavior.
Excellent point.  Although, attempting to define the degree to which drugs affect the brain is, in fact, a problem unique to neuroscientists and the like. 
Atheists, secularists, and others who reject God’s Word as the authority have precisely the same problem.
Darn it, Avery.  I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt.  It's pretty clear in the bible that god can alter people's mental states if he so desires.  Remember, he supposedly creates everyone.  Beyond that, however, the Bible is literally a code that also restricts people's moral and ethical choices. 

If you think for one moment that teaching an impressionable child that hell is real is not affecting their mental state like a drug, then you simply don't understand brain chemistry.
Without an ultimate foundation for morality, who gets to decide what is moral or immoral?
 Again, we're discussing ethics.  I don't expect you to know the difference, but I do expect you to at least research what you're trying to discuss.  Everyone has different morals.  There is no objective morality.  If you disagree with any of the laws in the bible, regardless of whether or not you follow them, you have a different morality than that which is laid out in the bible.  It's a code of ethics, just like any doctrine of law. 

However, to answer the question directly, we humans get to decide collectively what is good and ethical.  We no longer believe that stoning your child to death for speaking up against his father is a good, moral idea.  Your bible does, though.
Some say the individual gets to decide.
Morality is, indeed, a personal thing.  Some people have orange-blue morality.  In fact, from where I'm standing, you have a blue/orange morality.  Every action in your life is dictated by whether or not you think some imaginary being is going to send you to some hell that isn't even well-defined, and that none of you can seem to agree on.  Is baptism necessary and therefore moral? I don't care, and I surely don't understand why you think taking a bath is a good moral thing.  Should you do like the bible says and not permit women to teach or speak publicly?  Again, I think that's completely immoral and unethical, but your bible says you gotta do it to get into heaven.
But what if my morality is different from your morality?
We've been over this.  Everyone has different morality.  However, most morality falls along a black/white spectrum.  Some people have orange/blue.  Still, I think you're discussing ethics, not morals.  Remember that part about neuroethicists earlier?  There's a reason they're not called neuromoralists.
What if my morality includes stealing your car?
What if it includes genocide?  What if it includes stealing young girls for your wife, like Deut. 20:14? What if your morality is approving of pedophilia?
Does that somehow make it right? Of course not!
I'm glad we agree that genocide, rape and pedophilia are not okay, regardless of what the book you're trying to push says.
If this is the case, then we need to throw out our justice system, because how can one judge decide if my actions were right or wrong?
Let's re-word that. "If this is the case, then we need to throw our the bible, because how can one book decide if my actions were right or wrong?"
If it was right for me, then who are you to say it was wrong?
You really do seem to be lacking self-awareness here.
Some people will say that morality is decided by the individual, but they add an arbitrary qualifier such as “people should strive to choose actions that do the most good and the least harm for the most people.”
Strawman.  Also, I think you're discussing ethics again.  The most ethical actions tend to be those that do the most harm (or the least bad) to other humans, at least generally.
But this is just an arbitrary opinion.
Yeah, exactly the same as believing the bible is the arbiter of morality.  Mark 7:20-23 says you should be careful with your pride, and your judgement, lest ye risk hellfire.  Well, here we are, and ye be casting judgement proudly.  Is the bible really the source of your morality, and if it is, why do you constantly disagree with it?
Why should I try to do good to others?
That's how society works.  There are evolutionary advantages to not doing things that will get you killed, for example.
Why not just do what benefits me?
So you don't think that living within the constraints of law is beneficial to you?  You can't see any reason to be nice to other people that would benefit you?  I would hate to be as miserable as that all the time.
And who defines good or harm anyway?
 Society, generally.  Harm we can define pretty easily.  Harm is generally those things which are detrimental.  Rape is harm because you're physically harming someone.  Consensual sex is not harm because both parties are wanting to engage in it (presuming both are of the age of consent, of course).

However, your bible disagrees with this, because women are property, and cannot be raped.  See the aforementioned links.  I also discuss this in this video.

Don't be like Dennis Prager.

Others will say society decides what is right and wrong.
Even the bible holds this view.  God appoints people to speak for him or whatever, and as a society people believed it.  Next point.
But this runs into the same problem, only on a larger scale. If this is the case, one society can’t judge another society’s actions as wrong.
We can, actually.  It's why we have international courts and human rights coalitions.  Just because you disagree with this doesn't make you correct.  You have yet to show why bringing others harm should be part of our codes of ethics.
Yet we know certain things are wrong: exterminating millions of people in a genocide or bombing innocent people to further your cause—we recognize that these things are wrong.
 Yes, we do.  Your bible does not.  The bible is full of genocide.  Three of the most famous stories from the bible are of genocide.
  1. The fall of Jericho
  2. The destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah
  3. The release of the horsemen and the killing of unbelievers in Revelations
But why are they wrong?
We've been over this.
Well, if society determines morality then they aren’t wrong. They just might be wrong for your society.
 See, you're not understanding.  Sometimes societies do that.  That's why part of the world has no problem with Sharia law, but most of the rest of the world does take exception to killing apostates, for example.  Even you would probably tell me you don't support the crusades, stoning your wife for speaking, or killing your neighbor if he kills your ox, or owning slavery; though they are founded on exactly the same principles and morals/ethics found in the bible.

Can Atheists Be Moral?

If atheists have no foundation for morality, does this mean they can’t be moral citizens? Of course not; many atheists are decent, moral people.
See, I knew you could be reasonable.  We don't need to believe it is okay to take child brides from tribes we warred against.
But that’s not the issue.
Then why are you even writing this article?
The point is that they are living inconsistently with their worldview.
Wrong.  We are living in a way that is ethical, and we're doing it by ignoring the same parts of the bible you ignore.
They claim we are just animals
So what?
and that there is no absolute authority for morality,
You seem to agree.  Did you get a dowry for marrying your wife, or are you destined for the same hell as me?
yet they live as if there is a moral code and moral absolutes.
Again, how do you lack this much self-awareness?
They are inconsistent
I feel like I was the one writing half of this article.
because you can’t actually live with the belief that there are no moral absolutes.
...which is why every christian follows every single word in the bible to a fault.  If your god is all-powerful, do you really think he cares which parts you don't like?  When I was a christian, I had no problem accepting every part of the bible as true.  I just presumed that I was going to hell for not stoning my female teachers. I was okay with that, though, because I knew that was wrong, regardless of what the bible said.
So they borrow from a Christian worldview of moral absolutes to support their own erroneous worldview.
No, we don't.  You seem to have an erroneous view of the bible, though.

 Arbitrary human opinion can’t provide a foundation for morality.
Well, not unless it is your specific human opinion, right?  If your special pleading were any harder, I think your brain might dislodge from your cranium.
For that we must look to the inspired Word of our Creator.
No.  Jesus didn't write the bible for some reason.  Neither did YHWH.
Morality is grounded in the character of God and revealed to us through the Bible.
Yes.  That's why, if your god is real, I will fight against him.  However, I don't think he's real, so I'm debating you instead on some old pieces of paper with backwards ideals.
We can know what is right and wrong and make moral judgments because God’s Word provides a foundation for morality.
You keep telling me your god is the ultimate foundation for morality while also telling me things in the bible are completely wrong.  I don't understand your point.  Are you actually trying to sell me on this, or are you purposefully trying to make it so I never join?

I think I've got you wrong, Avery.  I think you're actually exactly as atheist as I am, maybe all of you in AiG are.  You're running this organization as anti-theists, trolling everyone into thinking you're christian, so that no one will want to be that.  If that's the case, you're doing a spectacular job.  You are a bunch of top-level trolls...

At least, that's my fantasy.  I doubt it's reality, because I don't think anyone at AiG has had to deal with reality in a very long time.

Although pills might be able to make moderate improvements on behavior, ultimately the answer to immoral behavior isn’t pharmaceuticals.
Oh yeah, the fake premise you opened this article on then never touched again until the conclusion.  See why I think you're trolling?  You don't care about the issue, you only care about complaining about atheists.  I wonder why you never decry other religions in pieces like this?  Do you honestly think that muslims, jews, satanists, pagans, etc aren't theists?  Or do you just think whatever morals they hold are okay because at least they believe in some god, even if he's contradictory to yours and the morals you hold?
The Bible describes the human heart as “deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked” (Jeremiah 17:9),
Yeah, why did your god make us like that?  Is that moral behavior to do this kind of thing?
and God says, “the imagination of man’s heart is evil from his youth” (Genesis 8:21).
Again, are we created in god's image or not?
Altering brain chemistry won’t fix what is ultimately a spiritual problem.
Unless it will. Herp derp waffle waffle.
The only ultimate solution is Jesus Christ.
Which is why you aimed this piece at atheists instead of non-Christians, right?
By the power of the Holy Spirit, those of us who have been redeemed can overcome sin and our sinful natures and live for Christ (Galatians 5:16).
 You know, I don't believe that sin is real.  I don't need you policing my thoughts like some mind NAZI.  You are not the morality police.  You aren't even consistent in your message.  I think people do bad things, yes, but I don't think a god designed him in his image to be that way.
Indeed, “Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new” (2 Corinthians 5:17).
Why couldn't god just make us without sin?  You have one sadistic god.
The life-changing power of the gospel is what transforms hearts and lives.
Making people feel bad for simply being human in order to guilt-trip them into believing and subjugating to your book, is not ethical in my opinion.  You act as though this would be unethical if anyone else did it, but you have no problem doing it. 

Well, that's the end of that one.  Best regards, and better luck next time.

As always, this has been Rev. J.R., signing off.




Wednesday, December 21, 2016

BURDEN OF PROOF AGAIN

Today I'm gonna respond again to the importance of the burden of proof, and a PROFESSIONAL PHILOSOPHER's inability to understand (read: be intellectually honest) about it.

Original article found here: https://lastedenblog.wordpress.com/2016/12/20/the-burden-of-proof-fallacy/

The concept of “the burden of proof” is a matter of interpersonal protocol in debate or discussion.
No.  Burden of Proof describes (not prescribes) who has the requirement to show evidence for a claim.  A person can make any claim he or she likes, but without meeting the burden of proof, it's a useless claim.
In formal contexts, such as courts of law, one side—in criminal cases in the United States, the prosecution—may hold the burden of proof.
Here we have a further lack of understanding.  Again, the burden of proof describes the claim, nothing more.  The prosecution generally makes the first claim: that the defendant is guilty of a crime.  The defense makes its claim, generally that the defendant isn't guilty.  There is a simultaneous burden of proof, potentially.  One side will have the burden of demonstrating that the defendant was the actual person committing the crime.  The other will have the burden of showing any evidence supporting some other stance, perhaps that the defendant wasn't even in the same country at the time of the event.

Regardless, the burden of proof can fall on both parties, depending on the claim.
Some formal debates also make use of a burden of proof as part of the rules.
I can't think of a single time that there has been any serious form of debate where evidence hasn't been required.  In fact, even in this argument herself, she is using evidence to demonstrate that the burden is prescriptive, rather than descriptive.  She is, however, conflating a descriptive part of logic for a human set of prescriptive rules.

A simple way to look at this is as follows:

Descriptive: if you want to claim that someone has done something, evidence is required or the claim is empty.
Prescriptive: The law says that if you can convince a jury of the evidence, a man can be imprisoned.

These are two separate ideas that Eve wants to keep conflating.  Remember, on her about page, and in half of her blog posts, she constantly sees the need to remind us she is a professional.  I present this as evidence that she is being purposefully intellectually dishonest.  That's just an observation.
A burden of proof fallacy occurs when someone attempts to invoke or assign a burden of proof outside of any agreement or interpersonal protocol.
So close, yet so far.  Burden of proof is a descriptive term.  It's not dependent upon whether or not you think it exists.  Just because you can convince someone of something without evidence, does not make said thing true.  You and me and the bottle makes three, and even if we all agree, we can all be wrong.
In such cases, the concept of “the burden of proof” becomes a rhetorical trope that conceals two informal logical fallacies: special pleading and an argument to ignorance.
While you do seem to be an authority on ignorance, I'm not going to commit the fallacy of appealing to you.  It's not rhetoric.  If you can demonstrate some other way to illustrate your point that doesn't rely upon evidence, please do so! However, even here, you're attempting to use this as evidence for your claim.  Evidence you claim you don't need, because you don't need a burden of proof if you're not debating anyone, as you said above.  As such, you've given two contrary opinions in defense of the same exact point.  They're both incorrect.
A fallacy of special pleading occurs when one asks or demands (“pleads”) to be exempted from a rule or criterion to which everyone else is held for no relevant reason (or no reason at all).
See, you do understand!  This is why you have the burden of proof when you make a positive claim.  You wish to be exempted from the burden of proof for your claims.  This is why we think you're so intellectually dishonest.  This is a clear demonstration that you actually do understand what you're doing.
An argument to ignorance fallacy has the form “my assertion is true until proven false.”
Well, for one, it's an argument from ignorance.  Hey, you're the professional here.  I'm sure it's just a typo.  Secondarily, that's not what an argument from ignorance is.  An argument from ignorance is saying 'my assertion is true because I can't understand why it is false, despite any evidence you might provide.' 

But again, you're the professional.  I shouldn't need to tell you these things.
The burden of proof fallacy takes the from of “My position is the default position. My opponent has the burden of proof!” But in asserting that one’s position is “the default position”, one is making an argument to ignorance: this just is equivalent to saying “My position is true until it is proven false.”
I'll just let that one speak for itself.
And the justification for this argument to ignorance is simply special pleading that one be allowed to use an argument to ignorance as if it were valid.
So your claim is that the burden of proof doesn't exist, and you're claiming this is true until someone proves you false?  Interestingly enough, that's the exact explanation you gave for your version of the 'burden of proof' fallacy.

How very professional.

Both combined have the form “My argument is true until proven false, and although this is an argument to ignorance, I am specially pleading that I be allowed to use it, despite its invalidity.”  
 Kinda like when you just told us that burden of proof doesn't exist, and it won't until someone gives you evidence for it, even though I have no burden to do so. 
This sounds more legitimate when it is phrased as “My position is the default position, and my opponent has the burden of proof,” but the meaning is the same.
The default position is whatever we observe, not whatever someone deems it to be.  Gravity appears to exist, so the default position is that it exists.  You're free to provide evidence to the contrary, but if you don't, then any claims of 'gravity isn't real' will be ignored. Because we observe gravity.
To attempt to lay the burden of proof solely on one’s opponent, as if one had some sort of metaphysical, moral, or logical right to do so is logically fallacious, intellectually dishonest, and unethical.
So you're not laying a burden of proof on me to prove my claims?  Great! I guess I'll stop.

I was going to respond to the rest of the article, but thanks for showing that I do not have to!  I can just claim the default position is that you're wrong, and since we don't have any formal agreements, you can just accept that I'm correct!

Aren't you glad we had this chat?